Fakir: Through years of lonely experimentation I feel I have found a way of connecting back with the source of my own creation. I had my first out-of-body experience in my teens. I discovered that I wasn’t my body, that I could live separate and independent from my body and go into and out of my body. When I was out of my body, my perspective was changed. There was no timeno past, no present. I could walk forward and backward in time, even go into the future, just like going from one room to another. These experiences have colored my whole life.
Pain is one way to reach an out-of-body experience. For instance, if the pain is in a single spot, you focus all of your attention on one specific point in your body. It’s very possible, with a bit of training, to get so focused on that one spot that finally the spot disappears and your attention disconnects from the body altogether. You don’t really feel any pain; you’re just observing. When you do this, it’s very easy after a while, to become a watcher, rather than a participant. And in that disconnected state, it’s very easy to be guided on to an inner journey.
The inner journey can be anywhere. It can be backward or forward in time. It can be here and now. Usually the most wise thing is to ask your higher spirit to take you on the journey that you need now. Trust to the wisdom of the higher spirit. The higher self knows what you need to make your next step forward. And during this state it’s possible. You surrender. You let go to your higher self. It can take over and give you the experience you need.
For many years I did these experiments alone and in seclusion; but, recently I’ve gone through a transition and I went looking for a tribe, looking for others who might welcome ecstatic experiences, might be able to use what has come out of those experiments, to share that for a mutual good. Now I have found my community, and they’ve been open and loving and accepting. A great part of finding that community has been Cléo, who was a very important influence in helping me overcome my “coming out” barriers.
Cléo: From watching Fakir in the SM community for seven years before dating him, I knew that what kept him unable to reach his own community while he was in the middle of it was that he presented himself as being asexual. He used the words “play with your body,” but he didn’t ever say “play with your sexuality.” So I set out to bring forth his sexuality, and this allowed people to look at him as more of a human and less of a strange visionary with ecstatic experiences.
So I believe I’ve helped him bridge that gap by accepting sexuality as part of the spectrum that could lead to spirituality. I was attracted to him for his strangeness, but I did not know if there was any sexuality that I could tap into with him. I found that I could tap in through S&M, and also through other sensual, sexual and fetishistic activities.
Now we are sharing rites with a group of men and women who are on the forefront of sexual, sensual and spiritual exploration. Many of them are gay, and they welcome their friends’ energiesmale or female . They’re people that don’t fit into boxes. They seek barriers to cross. The S&M energy, the ritual energy, blurs all of these barriers, and people share magic together, share intense moments that are beyond common experiences.
We do rituals that use the body to search for ecstasy and trance space, other dimensions, and out-of-body or in-the-body trance experiences. Rites of passage and ecstatic ceremonies have been lost in modern society, almost all over the world. They are misunderstood and labeled weird or shocking. But, Fakir is now passing them along like an elder passes learning to younger men and women. When we go to those gatherings, which are held in nature, that knowledge is passed on. And now we have videos, as well as photos and books. We are part of a big new tribe of Modern Primitives who do not fit in the mold our parents and institutions would like us to. I am very glad Fakir can facilitate these old rituals for others and myself.
Fakir: Yes, I’ve found a community. I fit in as a shaman, a facilitator, an elderbut I’m still developing because there are things that I bypassed and didn’t learn on the way. I’m now, very late in life, experiencing, developing and exploring my own sexualitywhich I had bypassed for many years in pursuit of something else. I’m having fun. It’s wonderful because it’s a balancing out, a completion. We’re filling the bag; we’re getting ready to wrap it all up. The package is almost complete, and the last layer on the cake happens to be a good dose of exploring my own sensuality and sexuality.
Cléo: And we’re getting married. We want our relationship to continue to include those men and women we choose to share our sensual, sexual and ritual energies with.
Fakir: Yes, we’re getting married. It’s traditional and non-traditional at the same time.
from an interview with Cléo Dubois and Fakir Musafar